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EM: Well, not as much as I am now, but I knew about Undefeated. I knew what they were doing, but I didn't know Eric personally, so when I received his email, I remember thinking it wasn't real – that it was spam. My brother, Bertrand, eventually convinced me to reply, so Eric and I then started chatting, and a few weeks later link we did a link Zoom. And then from there, it was more about just getting to know one another. We were not link talking at that point about a collaboration.